How Self-Judgment Became Autoimmune Illness—and the Inner Shift That Changed Everything

What if the challenges you're facing aren't happening to you... but are inviting you into a deeper conversation with yourself?

In this thought-provoking episode of Growing Tall Poppies: Thrive After Trauma, Dr. Nat Green is joined by transformational leadership expert and co-founder of Evolve Institute, Kerry Borcherding.

After years of struggling with unexplained autoimmune symptoms, Kerry found herself lying on her living room floor in tears after being told by doctors that she would simply have to learn to live with her condition. But a profound inner knowing told her otherwise.

What followed was a journey that completely transformed the way she viewed health, healing, leadership, and personal responsibility.

Together, Nat and Kerry explore:

✨ The hidden relationship between self-judgment and physical symptoms

✨ How high achievers and perfectionists often become trapped in cycles of self-attack

✨ The concept of becoming the CEO of your own inner world

✨ How your inner identities influence your thoughts, emotions, health, and relationships

✨ The Four Zones of Consciousness and how they shape your reality

✨ Why healing isn't always about fixing problems—but creating a new reality where those problems no longer belong

✨ The role of intuition, soul wisdom, and embodied awareness in personal growth

✨ Practical ways to move from reaction and overwhelm into greater peace, alignment, and self-leadership

This episode offers a powerful reminder that healing isn't always about finding the next answer outside yourself. Sometimes the greatest transformation begins when you learn to listen to the parts of yourself you've been trying to silence.

If you've ever struggled with perfectionism, people-pleasing, self-doubt, chronic stress, health challenges, or feeling stuck despite doing all the "right" things, this conversation will give you a fresh perspective on what might be possible.

Memorable Quotes

"Your inner world is creating your outer reality."
"Healing wasn't about fixing myself. It was about creating a reality where the problem no longer belonged."
"The goal isn't to never feel fear or self-doubt. The goal is to notice it sooner and shift faster."
"When we stop attacking ourselves, our bodies no longer need to fight on our behalf."
"Ask yourself: Is this the loving thing?"

🌿 Kerry's Bio

Kerry Borcherding is the Co-Founder of Evolve Institute, a speaker, and a pioneer in 5D Leadership. She is passionate about helping people become the CEO of their own inner world so they can create new realities rather than remain trapped in old patterns. Through retreats, immersive programs, and in-person experiences, she guides leaders into profound inner shifts and more aligned ways of living and leading.

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Transcript

Dr Nat Green 0:05

Welcome to Growing Tall Poppies, Thrive After Trauma. I'm your host, Dr. Nat Green, and I am so excited to have you join me as we discuss what it means to navigate your way through trauma or significant challenges, and not just survive, but to thrive after it. This is a space for people who've been through trauma or adversity, have done some healing, and know they're meant for more than just coping. This podcast is about post-traumatic growth, not getting back to who you used to be. Rather, understanding who you are now and learning how to stand tall without shrinking, forcing, or abandoning yourself. Here, we explore identity after adversity, integrity and visibility wounds, nervous system wisdom, and what it really takes to move forward in a way that feels aligned, embodied, and true. You will hear a blend of deep solo conversations and powerful guest interviews with people who have lived this work, not just studied it. Because growth doesn't come from pushing harder. It comes from understanding how you adapted, honoring your nervous system, and gently updating the old agreements that no longer fit the life you're ready to live. If you're ready to stop hiding, stop performing, and start owning who you are becoming, then you are in the right place. Let's grow tall together Hello and welcome back. I'm super excited today to bring you our next guest on the Growing Tall Poppies podcast. It's my absolute pleasure to welcome a lovely lady who I've recently connected with. Her name is Kerry Borcherding. Kerry is the co-founder of Evolve Institute, a speaker and a pioneer in five D leadership. She's passionate about helping people become the CEO of their own inner world so they can create new realities rather than remain trapped in old patterns with over. Two decades in psychology, neuroscience, and transformational leadership. She guides leaders into profound inner shifts and more aligned ways of living and leading, and she does this through retreats, immersive programs, and in-person experiences. So welcome, Kerry. It's so great to have you here.

Kerry Borcherding 2:51

Oh, thank you so much for having me. It's been, it was lovely to get to know you recently.

Dr Nat Green 2:56

Yes, it was. And I'd love for you to start, I gave the spiel about who you are and a little bit about you professionally. I'd love you to just share a little bit more about who you really are and what you enjoy doing in the world.

Kerry Borcherding 3:13

Mm-hmm. Let's see who I really am. That's such a good question. Um, my. My most happy place actually is being in the wilderness and outside. And I spend so much time, um, connecting to the universe and to my soul and to the animals and all of the multidimensional beings outside, um, in any free time I have. And, and in fact, we often take a lot of clients and do work out outside of the four walls as well. Um, and before I started doing this, I also did a ton of equine assisted therapy with horses and, um, started a nonprofit for women with breast cancer, combining that with equine therapy retreats. And so that has just always been a big passion of mine and that still kind of intertwines into the work that I do now. And just personal pleasure as well.

Dr Nat Green 4:12

I love that so much and, and I can so relate. There really is nothing better than getting out in nature and just connecting and going back to basics. Oh, I love that. And I love the equine therapy. I remember number of years ago now heading over to Oregon and mm-hmm. Went to this amazing place where they worked with, with kids who'd had a number of life challenges and issues, and a lot of the therapeutic work was around equine therapy and ah, it was magic and the, they're just amazing.

Kerry Borcherding 4:51

They are, they just, they live very close to the veil. And, um, I do believe that they are here to help, to help humans kind of transition into this new five D reality that we're moving into and to help us be more connected to ourself, more present, more authentic and true. And so every time I move away from, I have a horse, but every time I move away, work-wise from them, they just keep calling me back and keep calling me back. So at least once a year I do some, some retreat or something with them usually.

Dr Nat Green 5:25

Oh, amazing. Yeah, that it just fascinates me, as I said, and I do see the profound shifts with people who are working closely in the equine space. So,

Kerry Borcherding 5:39

yeah.

Dr Nat Green 5:39

Wonderful. And I know you've mentioned, and I mentioned in the intro around this five D stuff. I'd love you to share a little bit more about what five D is and five D leadership.

Kerry Borcherding 5:52

Absolutely. Most of us right now are living in sort of 3D consciousness, which is fear and separation. It comes along with all of the narratives and the conditioning and. The, um, victimhood that can come with it as well. Sort of feeling like life is happening to us.

Dr Nat Green 6:16

Yes.

Kerry Borcherding 6:16

And as we begin to, raise our frequency that shifts us into higher levels of consciousness that gives us access. To love and oneness and this feeling that we are all connected and that we have so many other intelligences that we have access to. We have the intelligence of our bodies and of our energy and physical bodies, and. Our soul and intuition and all of those other pieces. But when we're living in this kind of more dense frequencies, it's hard to hear those aspects of us, those internal, um, leadership aspects, team aspects that have so much more information and guidance for us. Because the lower frequencies, our zone one team, we call 'em at Evolve Institute, the ones that kind of get in our way, like, um. The troublemaker, the not good enough one, the judging one. Those tend to get in our way. And it's hard to hear truth above the noise of those team members sometimes.

Dr Nat Green 7:25

Oh, definitely. Yes. And, and so many of the people that I talk to, the people I work with and the listeners. O often share with me about how they're, they're in their head. Yeah. They're overthinkers over analyzers. Yeah. And when you have capacity to open up to this other realms, the five D rather than just the 3D. And for some people, 2D really isn't it?

Kerry Borcherding 7:53

Can be. Yeah.

Dr Nat Green 7:54

Yeah.

Kerry Borcherding 7:54

I think we often think about leadership, sometimes as leading people external to ourselves, but yet we each are a leader and we're all leading our inner world teams and our inner world teams reside at different levels of consciousness, just like. People, when you're walking around the world, there are people that reside at different levels of consciousness, and so as leaders, we have to be paying attention to who is leading our team right now. Mm-hmm. Am I walking out in the world and I'm leading with my not good enough one, am I leading with my ego? Am I leading? With my saboteur or am I, you know, slowing down enough so I can begin leading with my soul and with my energetic being, which tends to be more truth tellers than

Dr Nat Green 8:44

yes,

Kerry Borcherding 8:45

those other ones.

Dr Nat Green 8:47

Yes, definitely. I love that so much. So as, as we know, a lot of the guest interviews that I do. Center around people speaking about the challenges they might have experienced. Not necessarily huge traumas, but adversity and challenges that they've navigated and sharing their pearls of wisdom. So I'd love for you if you're up for it, to share a little about what happened for you and the challenges you experienced.

Kerry Borcherding 9:19

Yeah, absolutely. Um, let's see, uh, I think about 10 years ago now. I was lying on my living room floor in a fetal position sobbing.

Dr Nat Green 9:34

Oh, okay.

Kerry Borcherding 9:35

And I had just returned from another doctor's visit and they were trying to figure out what was going on with my health because I had started accumulating a myriad of symptoms, joint pain and digestive issues. And like my right eye kept kept swelling up for no reason. And. Once again, I had just returned from a doctor who basically said, I have no idea what's going on with you. It looks potentially like you have a collection of autoimmune issues and you're just gonna have to learn how to live with it. And

Dr Nat Green 10:13

wow.

Kerry Borcherding 10:13

As I was lying on the floor that day, I heard this voice come through loud and clear that said, that is not true. And I knew like on such a deep level that that was not going to be what I was gonna deal with for the rest of my life. That that was not, not my future.

Dr Nat Green 10:36

Yes.

Kerry Borcherding 10:36

And I clearly heard my soul tell me that, that that was not my future. And so for the next few years, I still kept seeking ways to fix my autoimmune issue and. You name it, I did it. Uh, anything Western, Eastern acupuncture, naturopaths, whatever. I, I tried it all.

Dr Nat Green 11:00

Yeah.

Kerry Borcherding 11:00

And, in 2017, I, met my business, who's now my business partner, Steven, uh, my business partner at Evolve Institute, and he asked me two questions that radically changed my perspective. And the first question was. Out of all of the conditions that you could have manifested, why autoimmune?

Dr Nat Green 11:28

Mm.

Kerry Borcherding 11:29

And so for the people listening. You can think of a challenge that you have, and it doesn't necessarily have to be health. I mean, it can be trauma, it can be health. It can be a challenge in your business or relationship. It doesn't matter because this, the question remains the same for no matter what challenge. But out of all of the things, why that challenge? And the second question was. Who on your team, on your inner world team that I was just talking about, who on your team is creating it and why?

Dr Nat Green 12:06

What great questions.

Kerry Borcherding 12:09

And that took me from that 3D perspective to that more five D perspective. And as I sat with that, what came to me is that for most of my life I was, I had it all together. You know, I was a perfectionist. I was an overachiever. Everybody used to come to me to get answers for, you know, to get advice. I was kind of always named the mom of my friend group. And when I got out of college, I moved to Aspen, Colorado, and. I think it was the first time I really felt just fully free.

Dr Nat Green 12:48

Okay.

Kerry Borcherding 12:48

And probably not in the best way. And I went off the rails. I just, I did things that I had never done before. I got into partying and drugs and drinking, and I made a ton of mistakes. And I think I didn't realize quite how much trauma that actually resided in me after I left there. And I found. That I kept for years beating myself up and hating myself and going over, you know, oh, I should have done it. That, you know, if I just didn't do that. And I'm sure people can relate to that.

Dr Nat Green 13:25

Oh yes, it sounds

Kerry Borcherding 13:26

very like familiar, constant spitting and bit beating up, and I wish I would have, I wish I should have. I should have. And so as I really started to look at that, I realized how many of my zone one team, of my punishing one and my self hating one, that they were doing exactly what I was doing to my own body. Like they were creating so much emotional pain that it literally translated into my body attacking itself, just like I was attacking myself. Hmm.

Dr Nat Green 14:01

Wow. And that, yeah,

Kerry Borcherding 14:03

go ahead.

Dr Nat Green 14:04

That would not be lost on you. And it, as you say that, it's like, ah, yes. Really, it's carrying that deep shame, self-judgment, and continuing to beat yourself up.

Kerry Borcherding 14:18

Yeah. Uh, but I mean, for years I, it, you know, it just did not strike me as that.

Dr Nat Green 14:23

Of course

Kerry Borcherding 14:23

not. But when that light bulb moment went, went on of, wow, I actually, my inner world is creating my outer reality, and it was in that moment that I realized, oh, I can actually put on my CEO hat, so to speak. And start leading my inner world team in a different way, and instead of. And people can probably relate to this instead of, you know, avoiding them and getting irritated and frustrated like, oh, I'm so sick of not feeling good enough, and like, I just wish I would stop that instead of kind of pushing all of those team members away. I. Started listening to them and loving them and appreciating them, and like listening for the message that they were giving me.

Dr Nat Green 15:14

Mm.

Kerry Borcherding 15:14

And as soon as I started doing that, I think about three months after I really started paying attention and loving them and beginning to. Um, give room for my soul to come through that noise. The symptoms began to subside and

Dr Nat Green 15:34

wow.

Kerry Borcherding 15:34

Now I have zero autoimmune issues.

Dr Nat Green 15:38

Oh my goodness. So seriously, three months.

Kerry Borcherding 15:42

Yeah, it was really fast. I mean, I don't think that's always the case, but for me, I think it was just, it was so loud and they were wanting to hear what I, what they were saying so much that it dissipated for me really quickly once I started listening.

Dr Nat Green 15:59

Mm. I love the way you framed that. So acknowledging all these different team members. Often what I would refer to as identities, various identities within ourselves, but becoming the CEO. So really being at cause and you know, rather than at effect. So no longer that victim and what have I can I do about it? This is how it is. So that's a huge shift. What did you know, it's interesting.

Kerry Borcherding 16:30

Oh, sorry.

Dr Nat Green 16:30

Sorry. No, go.

Kerry Borcherding 16:32

I was just gonna say it's interesting 'cause I, I think that. That can be overwhelming for some too, to, to take a hundred percent responsibility of, oh, I'm creating this. And for me, what happened is it became so empowering that I didn't have to look outside of myself. I didn't have to find another doctor. I didn't try to have to fix the problem that I created it so I could uncreate it. And that if I could just work with my inner world, that together just me and myself and all of my team, that we could just create a new reality that actually made that problem obsolete. I didn't have to fix anything that, that autoimmune didn't have to be fixed. I just created something different and that, you know, they didn't need to beat up on me anymore because I created a new reality. And so. The autoimmune just went away, and so for me, it was really empowering to take responsibility.

Dr Nat Green 17:36

Yeah, I love that because yeah, the reality is, and I'm so glad you raised this, that it's very easy for people to pick up on that, oh, it's all my fault.

Kerry Borcherding 17:48

Yes.

Dr Nat Green 17:49

And blame ourselves and add more self blame to that conversation and another little voice to add into the mix. And that's not what we're saying at all. It was that whole shift in your perspective that if I own this stuff, then it can be created differently as well. So that shift in perspective made the biggest difference.

Kerry Borcherding 18:14

Yeah. Definitely.

Dr Nat Green 18:16

Yeah.

Kerry Borcherding 18:16

Yeah. It wasn't about adding more shame or, oh, I wish I would if I just would've done this. It was more like, oh, how, like what's the new thing that I wanna create that where I'm healthy and well, and how do I move towards that versus pushing away from what I do not want?

Dr Nat Green 18:34

Mm. So focusing on moving towards rather than moving away from, yeah.

Kerry Borcherding 18:39

Yeah.

Dr Nat Green 18:40

So what else did you start to notice where you were listening to this, things seemed to resolve. What else changed for you then?

Kerry Borcherding 18:51

I mean, I think that just changed my whole kind of world view in general. Um, there was something that happened where I could pull back. Um, to a higher perspective and be able to see kind of everything different. As I walk around the world now, I, I constantly am asking myself like, what zone am I in? Who is leading? And there was something so incredibly empowering about. Not ever not wanting to be not good enough or not ever dropping down into feeling sad one day or feeling frustrated one day. Um, it was more about. How do, when I go there, how quickly can I shift? How can I, how quickly can I become aware? And then how quickly can I shift? Because it is constantly a choice. And so the more I have done this work and the more my clients have done this work. The faster they get out, it's like, oh, oh, I notice I'm feeling frustrated right now. Or I, or I'm being reactive or triggered, and I notice that, and, you know, the, it's not going down the rabbit hole for a week or two weeks. It's, oh, I notice and I'm gonna shift. And then their frequency raises and then the ripple effect of that frequency that, that frequency has on their families and their friends and the people around them. Um, it, it is also that piece of the ripple effect that we have when we are, functioning at a higher frequency and we're able to move out of that response faster.

Dr Nat Green 20:34

Yeah. So what did you notice about the relationships with people around you as you started to operate differently?

Kerry Borcherding 20:45

Well, it's funny 'cause I, it's like. My intention wasn't necessarily to have people respond differently. It was just as I started shifting and changing, and as I started. Living more from my soul and from those higher zones of perspective, we naturally become more peaceful and more calm, and so that just, you know, many people would come up and just say, oh, you feel so grounded, or. Like, there's something different about you. I'm not exactly sure what it is. And you know, people, more people want to be around you and be in that energy, especially in what's happening in the world right now and the chaos and a lot of fear and the collective fear that is happening right now. The more of us that are looking at our internal world and the wars that we're having inside and starting to shift that. The more, I think everybody around us begins to feel that peace and calm and that that's available to us even in the midst of the chaos that's happening.

Dr Nat Green 21:59

Yeah. Yeah. There's so many layers to this and, and so many questions I think, oh, we can talk about this all day. So what about, could you dive a bit deeper into those four zones of consciousness? Sure. For us so we can help our listeners understand a bit more about that.

Kerry Borcherding 22:20

Yes. Uh, so this is the framework that we use at Evolve Institute. Mm-hmm. And that is that in zone one. That is the. The overall view is you're a victim of circumstance. So the viewpoint, the worldview you have is that the life is happening to you and you don't have much say in it.

Dr Nat Green 22:45

Mm-hmm. Um.

Kerry Borcherding 22:47

So, for example, in health

Dr Nat Green 22:50

mm-hmm.

Kerry Borcherding 22:51

It happened to you. Uh, I have, you know, I had an auto, I don't un understand why the universe would've given me an autoimmune disease. I eat really healthy, I exercise, I'm a good person.

Dr Nat Green 23:04

Mm-hmm.

Kerry Borcherding 23:05

Why is this happening to, of all the people? Why is this happening to me?

Dr Nat Green 23:08

Yeah.

Kerry Borcherding 23:09

I haven't done anything to deserve it. So that is kind of zone one and

Dr Nat Green 23:14

mm-hmm.

Kerry Borcherding 23:14

The aspects of yourself that live within zone one are the fearful one and the judging one. And the reacting one.

Dr Nat Green 23:23

Yeah.

Kerry Borcherding 23:23

And then you might get sick of being in zone one and feeling like you don't have any say in your life. And then you would move to zoom zone two, which is problem solving.

Dr Nat Green 23:34

Mm-hmm.

Kerry Borcherding 23:35

Okay. I have a health problem, so I'm gonna go to the doctor. And I'm gonna figure out what I need to do to fix my health problem. But then let's say maybe you, I fix one thing and then something else arises. I take one medication, and that medication I have to take another medication because it causes another problem. And so I have to take another medication to quell the problem.

Dr Nat Green 24:01

Yeah.

Kerry Borcherding 24:02

So it's, you're kind of on this constant cycle of. Problem solving. Solving another, creates another problem, creates another problem. And there's this never ending feeling of have not having enough. Like,

Dr Nat Green 24:14

okay, yeah,

Kerry Borcherding 24:14

you're always chasing the next thing. You need more money, you need a bigger house, you need whatever. There's always kind of a lack feeling. And then when, and both all of those are sort of in 3D, consciousness, fear, and separation.

Dr Nat Green 24:31

Mm-hmm.

Kerry Borcherding 24:32

And then as you might get tired of all that problem solving, you move to zone three, which is that area of beginning to listen to your soul. You know that there's more, you know that there is a more peaceful way, a more soulful way. You start listening to your energetic intelligence, your physical sensations that are telling you something. And you start getting information from a higher perspective, you know that there is more, there is a oneness that you feel, a peace that you feel. And it's not about solving a problem, it's about creating a new reality. Mm-hmm. Where that problem doesn't exist. Um, and so in the example of health

Dr Nat Green 25:20

mm-hmm.

Kerry Borcherding 25:20

It would be what I did with the autoimmune, like looking at what is the root cause of that? Why, why is that arising and how can I shift that to create a new reality versus fix it? And I can do that. I have the ability and the power to do that inside.

Dr Nat Green 25:36

And I imagine, mm-hmm. Just hearing you say that, that zone three, you are having that realization and doing that. However, I imagine that that would've been very confronting and that would be something that people, you know, would bring up a lot of emotions around, oh my goodness, do I really wanna go there?

Kerry Borcherding 25:59

Yes, it is. I wouldn't say it's necessarily the easier path.

Dr Nat Green 26:04

No, it doesn't sound like it at all.

Kerry Borcherding 26:07

However, I will say that once you've had the embodied experience, the direct experience of being able to shift something and knowing that you have that and having the experience of doing that, it's hard to go back. I would imagine It's extremely empowering to know that. Wow. I am get actually getting guidance every day and mm-hmm. Um, and I have a lot of support wanting me to have like an easy, peaceful life.

Dr Nat Green 26:40

Mm.

Kerry Borcherding 26:40

When I'm listening to my soul code. Versus like all of the noise that's happening around telling me which direction to go and what I should do. And somebody outside of me is telling me that this is what medication I should take, even though they're not in my body. And maybe that doesn't align with me.

Dr Nat Green 26:59

Mm-hmm.

Kerry Borcherding 26:59

But it might work for somebody else. Um, so there is, although it is. Maybe not the easier path once you have touched into it. Um, it is the most beautiful

Dr Nat Green 27:13

yes.

Kerry Borcherding 27:14

Path also.

Dr Nat Green 27:16

And I can see how that lights you up. How, how much Yeah. Your energy changes going, you know, talking through the different paths even. So tell me about zone four.

Kerry Borcherding 27:28

And then zone four is when you are connected to all things. So you start

Dr Nat Green 27:35

mm-hmm.

Kerry Borcherding 27:35

Aligning also with the collective, with other people that are also on your mission, on your path. And, um. And work. It's not just a solo journey anymore. It is a collective journey that we are all pieces of the puzzle for one another and you start, um, attracting other people on your same journey that will also be part of your collective journey.

Dr Nat Green 28:03

And as you talk about that, I'm just wondering for our listeners, is this a linear path? Or will you go up and down? Like, all things

Kerry Borcherding 28:17

Not for me anyway. No, no, I don't think it's a linear path for anyone. Um, just like I said it, this isn't to say like one zone is necessarily better mm-hmm. Or worse than another. It's, you know, sometimes I wake up and I really just wanna stay in bed with my head under the covers. And I'm just having one of those days, and again, it's like we're gonna be on this, on this wave of going back and forth and it's more, can we become so aware of it so that we have the choice to switch if we want to. I still on occasion wanna, like I said, like pull the covers over my head and not come out and wallow in my, you know, in my self pity and feel shitty for the day or whatever. Um, but I'm also noticing that. As you know, as long as I've been doing this work that I spend less and less time there because it feels worse and worse to stay in that, in like the soup.

Dr Nat Green 29:23

Yeah.

Kerry Borcherding 29:24

So it's really just an opportunity of noticing and a choice to, to move.

Dr Nat Green 29:29

And the more you spend time in these level, you know, zone three and zone four and see that different way, I imagine, you think, yeah, life will happen to all of us and it's really important that we acknowledge when something's challenging, when something's difficult and we pull up the covers and have a day in zone one. That doesn't matter, does it?

Kerry Borcherding 29:50

Absolutely not. No. And it doesn't make us a bad person. Absolutely. Or a less conscious person. Um, this is not at all about that. It's just having this awareness that we have the ability to, um, to access those other levels of consciousness. And we are that, I mean, we are. You know, Stephen and I bring groups together just to have an embodied experience of tapping into soul and

Dr Nat Green 30:19

mm-hmm.

Kerry Borcherding 30:19

Being in a group and remembering that we actually know each other from before, from other times, from other lifetimes. And when, when we bring those groups together and we don't do a lot of talking or a lot of teaching, people go into that instantaneously. Like there is no teaching how to do that. Somebody can look at another person and you tell them to give them a message from their soul, and they will do it even if they have never talked to their soul before. I mean, it is amazing when we come together in that frequency. We all have access to that all the time. It's just often the busyness of our mind and the noise that's being created. Um, and so what we're teaching is that we all have that access anytime, and it's always a choice and you get to choose and it's not good or bad, which whatever you choose, but there's so much unlimited possibility.

Dr Nat Green 31:20

Yes. So tell us a little bit more about where our listeners can find you and find out more about the Evolve Institute.

Kerry Borcherding 31:30

Yeah. Uh, so our, uh, probably our website is a great place to go, which is just Evolve.institute. Mm-hmm. Super simple. Um, our events are put up on, on those pages. And, um, you can contact me from there. I'm also on all the typical Facebook, LinkedIn, Instagram, and you can DM me on any of those channels. I'm also very happy to offer, um. If you are interested or you're curious or you wanna know what zone you're in, or you want a quick tip of how to get out of a challenge that you're in, I'm also happy to meet with people. So feel free to write me and I'm happy to book a session like a just a free 15 minute session with people just to touch base and see. If this aligns or if it's helpful, I can usually get people out of some place pretty quickly or see a different perspective.

Dr Nat Green 32:26

Oh, that's very generous. Thank you. And I'll put all those links in the show notes for sure. Yeah,

Kerry Borcherding 32:31

that would be great.

Dr Nat Green 32:32

Yeah. So what would be a tip that you could give our listeners from all the experiences you've had and the learnings and, and how far you've come? What would be something that. They could access maybe right now to, to improve things for them.

Kerry Borcherding 32:56

One of the number one five D principles that we teach, um, is to do the loving thing. And that means for yourself as well as for others and yourself, most importantly. Um, so through your day as you're walking through your day, it's a great way to come back to yourself just to ask when you're doing, when you're out in the world or you have a thought. To ask yourself if, is that the loving thing? Is that something that's making me feel expansive or contracted? And if it's making you feel expansive, amazing. And if it's causing contraction, then there's something that's not loving within that to yourself. So it's a quick thing that you can ask yourself

Dr Nat Green 33:43

very, very helpful and, and something simple and easy that we can all start to just be aware of. Take notice of. Do differently now. I love that so much. Now, one of the things, well, firstly, let me see if there's anything else you'd like to share, any other tips, anything else that comes to you as I go? Share your wisdom for us all now.

Kerry Borcherding 34:19

The one other piece I think I will share is, um, the importance of being in the body. And I know with trauma, you know, one of the things that we do when we've had trauma is to not be in the body.

Dr Nat Green 34:35

Yeah.

Kerry Borcherding 34:35

Um, and so if there. Is a time where you start to float away to have that access point to your heart space because usually our heart space is a very safe space within ourself to be, um, and just to place your hands on your heart and to feel like you get to create that safety within yourself. So that is the other tip, just to keep coming back into, into yourself, um, in the safest way that feels good to you. But the heart space is usually a good access point to our own safety.

Dr Nat Green 35:09

Absolutely. I love that so much. Thank you. And one of the questions that I like to finish up on that I always ask is, what do you think your youngest self would think? Of what you've achieved and what you're doing now.

Kerry Borcherding 35:26

Mm-hmm. Yeah. And I just had this like, vision of her

Dr Nat Green 35:32

come Yeah.

Kerry Borcherding 35:32

Flashing through my mind of playing in the woods with the fairies when I was little, um, in Cincinnati and the woods behind my house. And, so one of the things I hear her saying to me is, I'm so glad that you have returned. To, um, you know, that was kind of quelled a little bit just as we go through life and conditioning and school and all of those things. And so glad that I have returned to the, the expansiveness of the multidimensional world and beginning to listen to all of the things that, um, that she could see and feel and hear and experience that as adults sometimes we forget about and, um. She's very happy that I am back in that land of experiencing all things instead of just kind of our smaller vision as we get into adulthood.

Dr Nat Green 36:34

Oh, that's so beautiful. It gave me chills, gave me goosebumps, and I just think,

Kerry Borcherding 36:40

I love that question.

Dr Nat Green 36:41

Oh, thank you. And it's my favorite question because we. And everyone has that similar experience, just reconnecting to that little person again, that gets lost along the way because life, because life yeah. Really happens to us and we forget a lot of that pure innocence that starts us off. So I love that. And, and she would be so proud and, and be so excited that you are sharing that knowledge and wisdom and experience with the world. So thank you so much.

Kerry Borcherding 37:22

Mm-hmm. Thank you so much for having me. Such a pleasure to be here and to be, and you hold a really beautiful, energetic space, so thank you for what you're doing.

Dr Nat Green 37:32

Thank you.

Kerry Borcherding 37:34

Yeah.

Dr Nat Green 37:36

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